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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:58:00 -
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I haven't had chance to test it yet, but I have crunched the numbers on some ideas for setups, and IÆm reserving judgement till I have the thing fully fitted out. However, it is not a Megathron, and trying to shoe-horn a Megathron setup onto it probably won't work.
Saying it can't really tank better than a Megathron is plainly incorrect when you have a +37.5% bonus per repairer. So before yelling for changes lets at least try the thing thoroughly...
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
I haven't had chance to test it yet, but I have crunched the numbers on some ideas for setups, and IÆm reserving judgement till I have the thing fully fitted out. However, it is not a Megathron, and trying to shoe-horn a Megathron setup onto it probably won't work.
Saying it can't really tank better than a Megathron is plainly incorrect when you have a +37.5% bonus per repairer. So before yelling for changes lets at least try the thing thoroughly...
That is true, but the slot set-up means (in my vague attempts to fit one) it's missing a low slot. It takes a long time for that repper bonus to make up for a missing 1600mm plate, or a EANM. Go read that gigantic Hyperion thread for a better informed answser.
Yes, however, that does not take into account the threshold at which damage starts to break through. The time to æcatch upÆ is only relevant if the damage > your repair threshold. If that threshold is high enough you simply won't break through (capacitor concerns obviously come into this).
On a Hyperion that threshold is going to be very high, so high infact that without Heavy drones, a Megathron with Void L and less than three damage modules probably won't be able to break the tank.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this puppy in action. 
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:53:00 -
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Further to what Loka said, if you run the numbers, the Hyperion (using T2 gear) can completely tank the damage from an Ion blaster II Megathron (not including heavy drones) while dishing the same DPS it is tanking...
It's going to be a very different ship to a Megathron (where firepower is everything), in fact two Hyperions could enter a slugging match and neither would die until the cap charges ran out.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/10/2006 19:17:47
Edited my previous post, essentially looking at kills times vs. a standard Ion BLaster II Megathron it's 2.25 : 1 in favour of the Hyperion.
i.e. the Hyperion kills the Megathron twice over in the same time it takes the Megathron to kill the Hyperion
Edit: the Neutron II setup posted on the previous page deals only 6% more DPs than the Ion II setup btw...
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:25:00 -
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Check page 3 for details.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/10/2006 19:44:13
No disrespect intended Nebulai, but your setup folds faster than the Ion II setup, and hereÆs why:
1x LAR II
800 HpÆs repaired every 11.25 sec = 71.1 HP/sec
1x EANM
1x DCU (internal FFA)
2x 1600mm RT plates
Resistances of: 72/42/58/58
Armor HPÆs (post changes) of : ((5313x1.5) + (2x3360x1.5))= 18050
DPS output = (837 x 1.06) + 317 (5 Ogre IIÆs) = 1205 dps
Kill times:
Your Megathron vs. Hyperion:
1205 Dps vs. 77% = 277 û (195.5) = 82 Dps bleedthrough
vs. 12,000 armour = 12,000/82 = 146 sec
Hyperion vs. Your Megathron:
862 dps vs. 58% = 362 û (71) = 291 Dps bleedthrough
vs. 18,050 armour = 62 sec
2.35 : 1 advantage to the Hyperion compared to 2.25 : 1 vs Ion II setup
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/10/2006 19:48:35
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Check page 3 for details.
STill not seeing the figures for shield and hull.
( oh and hyperions lack of a tracking bonus is quite easily made up for by using a target painter, which helps your drones as well )
Look at the disparity in the kill times and try telling me with a straight face that 31 seconds chewing through (hardened) hull is going to change the outcome...
The Hyperion is going to be awesome, but I'll still be flying my Megathron too, why?
If you need to kill something fast Megathron > Hyperion always
If you want to do it in style Megathron > Hyperion always
The Hyperion is a better small gang ship though, and for combat where time isn't critical.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/10/2006 20:06:44
I've run all the numbers, but still I think everyone just needs to try the thing (and not try fitting it as a Megathron - play to its strength) extensively first (if you can get on Sisi  )
If yelling at Tux becomes necessary there is plenty of time for that yet
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/10/2006 20:12:25
If you start in the Hyperions optimal it isn't 'maybe' its so one-sided it isnt funny...
But like I said, everyone needs to try the thing extensively first 
Edit: and of course as always Pilot tactics > all
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